From chrisw at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 14 15:17:56 2006 From: chrisw at enfoldsystems.com (Chris Williamson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382132C02@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Dear Enfold Desktop community: "Thank you" to all the community members who downloaded Enfold Desktop 3.0 Beta, evaluated it and gave us feedback. Our developers have incorporated many of your comments into the product to make it run even more smoothly, and now we are announcing the availability of Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate. We invite you to give it a try: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/three/ (IMPORTANT NOTE FOR DESKTOP 2.x USERS: If you need to keep using Enfold Desktop 2.x while you try Version 3.0 Release Candidate, please READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION BEFORE INSTALLING ANY COMPONENTS: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/3_0-for-2_x-users ) Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate is a major update to the Desktop 2.x series, with more than a thousand hours of testing and new features to make the drag-and-drop content management experience even easier, including: - Predefined sessions for easier content editing - Support for Unicode (international character set) file names - Ability to extend Desktop for custom needs (for example, automatic save to server from within a third-party program) via new plug-in architecture For more information, please see the main Enfold Desktop Web page: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop Thank you for using Enfold Desktop! If you have any questions, please e-mail customerservice at enfoldsystems.com or call us at (713) 942-2377. From cbc at unc.edu Thu Sep 28 14:49:01 2006 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:49:01 -0400 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions Message-ID: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which work with the new version or to delete old connections? 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work with 2.5? 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety of reasons. 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector issue on any of these items. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 17-6 Venable Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From alan at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 14:56:49 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:56:49 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of > Enfold Desktop. Great! > I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per > instructions. > > 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of > previous version connections which cannot be either used or > deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which > work with the new version or to delete old connections? Yikes! Try to delete it then try to goto 'Help' and Send error report to Enfold. This will send us your debugging log and one of our guys can look into it. I believe there is a .ini file that has all the information in there; and they could be forcibly removed with editor. > 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm > stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile > (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in > light of other third party products). > Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous > build work with 2.5? They should work. Just use the Python 2.3.x version of the server components. > 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server > and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the > product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? > I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this > correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. We no longer need the WebDAV support. You can use the normal HTTP port in Zope. > 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user > perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not > knowing, although it is not documented in the new > instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was > no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety > of reasons. Not that I know of. I believe you only need to have Management access to provide the 'install' like any other product (we arent doing anything funny) > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, > am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my > strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop > clients in the hands of my institutional content > contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of > our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is > per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it > to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key > to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd > like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to > contact me offlist about this item. Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. > Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector > issue on any of these items. The only issue I think you will need to open a collector issue on (possibly) is not being able to remove the sessions. Cheers Alan From sidnei at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 15:02:59 2006 From: sidnei at enfoldsystems.com (Sidnei da Silva) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:59 -0300 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions In-Reply-To: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> References: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20060928200259.GL4286@cotia> On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 03:49:01PM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: | I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. | | I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. | | I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. | | 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous | version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a | work around to see only connections which work with the new version or | to delete old connections? The information about connections is stored on a .ini file. The location escapes me right now. I believe it's in Documents and Settings\user\\Application Data\Enfold. | 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with | these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are | deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). | Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work | with 2.5? You mean the tarball or the desktop desktop? There's documentation about the compatibility issues on the website. | 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and | had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new | build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server | by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up | Apache. That's right. It works over plain HTTP by doing user-agent sniffing now. | 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the | Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it | is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made | me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a | variety of reasons. It's recommended yes. It *might* work if you don't do it, by luck. | 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under | the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed | pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my | institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a | year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing | is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given | to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my | project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by | my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little | clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. I will leave that for Alan to answer. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 From nd51 at leicester.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 10:50:24 2006 From: nd51 at leicester.ac.uk (Davis, N.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:50:24 +0100 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions In-Reply-To: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Message-ID: <872562B97D471D4AB39FF78E9C921F64028C6360@Saffron.cfs.le.ac.uk> > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I > under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed > pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my > institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a > year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if > licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise > it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to > acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my > options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this > item. > Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. In response to this, I'd say we're in a similar situation. While I was evaluating Enfold Desktop, the licensing changed. This changed my priorities, because its only worth for us to spend the money on Enfold Desktop when we've got enough other infrastructure in place. So I went back to getting some other stuff working that is free. For a large university, the new pricing structure means that with potentially large numbers of users it looks cost-prohibitive. So while I know Enfold need to make money, and its in the interests of everyone in the Plone Community that companies such as Enfold are thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing Enfold Desktop at all. I appreciate that this comment may seem weird, considering how many Universities throw huge ? / $ towards the likes of Microsoft and SAP, but funding regimes can get very political and unfortunately the funding sources connected to people open-minded / informed enough to use Plone, are often small numbers. Regards, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 10:56:29 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:56:29 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133082@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the > license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, > because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing > Enfold Desktop at all. All the university needs to do is contact us. We are not a "uber corporation" wanting to squeeze blood from stone. If you have special needs - contact us! We work with large organizations - all the time. I don't know of any university that has been 'put off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Cheers Alan Runyan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know of any university that has been 'put > off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Alan, Thanks for that. Didn't mean to imply at all Enfold was an "uber corporation" . ;-) Quite the opposite. I actually made this comment just to say that reading the Enfold website in the absence of other info, such an impression of too pricy could be given, which probably wasn't intended. And I wouldn't like people to be put off because well apart from the fact Enfold deserves to thrive, we all need Enfold to thrive. :-) Also its kind of embarrassing when due to the way things are funded, an organisation can spend loads of money on one thing and be really stingy in another area, and the people that the organisation is being stingy to may well feel justifiably hard-done by. Frankly I think it sucks if Microsoft and SAP can screw big $ out of the same institutions that Enfold is giving a discount to. But its not a just world........ Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at Enfold desktop again. All the best, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 11:40:42 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:40:42 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133088@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at > Enfold desktop again. When RC2 is released. Please give it a spin! That's the most straightforward way of helping in the near-term. Cheers Alan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: event.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 26152 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.enfoldsystems.com/pipermail/community-desktop/attachments/20060908/d07aa5ec/attachment-0001.obj From chrisw at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 14 15:17:56 2006 From: chrisw at enfoldsystems.com (Chris Williamson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382132C02@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Dear Enfold Desktop community: "Thank you" to all the community members who downloaded Enfold Desktop 3.0 Beta, evaluated it and gave us feedback. Our developers have incorporated many of your comments into the product to make it run even more smoothly, and now we are announcing the availability of Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate. We invite you to give it a try: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/three/ (IMPORTANT NOTE FOR DESKTOP 2.x USERS: If you need to keep using Enfold Desktop 2.x while you try Version 3.0 Release Candidate, please READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION BEFORE INSTALLING ANY COMPONENTS: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/3_0-for-2_x-users ) Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate is a major update to the Desktop 2.x series, with more than a thousand hours of testing and new features to make the drag-and-drop content management experience even easier, including: - Predefined sessions for easier content editing - Support for Unicode (international character set) file names - Ability to extend Desktop for custom needs (for example, automatic save to server from within a third-party program) via new plug-in architecture For more information, please see the main Enfold Desktop Web page: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop Thank you for using Enfold Desktop! If you have any questions, please e-mail customerservice at enfoldsystems.com or call us at (713) 942-2377. From cbc at unc.edu Thu Sep 28 14:49:01 2006 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:49:01 -0400 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions Message-ID: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which work with the new version or to delete old connections? 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work with 2.5? 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety of reasons. 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector issue on any of these items. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 17-6 Venable Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From alan at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 14:56:49 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:56:49 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of > Enfold Desktop. Great! > I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per > instructions. > > 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of > previous version connections which cannot be either used or > deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which > work with the new version or to delete old connections? Yikes! Try to delete it then try to goto 'Help' and Send error report to Enfold. This will send us your debugging log and one of our guys can look into it. I believe there is a .ini file that has all the information in there; and they could be forcibly removed with editor. > 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm > stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile > (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in > light of other third party products). > Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous > build work with 2.5? They should work. Just use the Python 2.3.x version of the server components. > 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server > and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the > product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? > I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this > correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. We no longer need the WebDAV support. You can use the normal HTTP port in Zope. > 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user > perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not > knowing, although it is not documented in the new > instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was > no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety > of reasons. Not that I know of. I believe you only need to have Management access to provide the 'install' like any other product (we arent doing anything funny) > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, > am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my > strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop > clients in the hands of my institutional content > contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of > our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is > per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it > to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key > to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd > like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to > contact me offlist about this item. Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. > Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector > issue on any of these items. The only issue I think you will need to open a collector issue on (possibly) is not being able to remove the sessions. Cheers Alan From sidnei at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 15:02:59 2006 From: sidnei at enfoldsystems.com (Sidnei da Silva) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:59 -0300 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions In-Reply-To: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> References: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20060928200259.GL4286@cotia> On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 03:49:01PM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: | I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. | | I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. | | I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. | | 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous | version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a | work around to see only connections which work with the new version or | to delete old connections? The information about connections is stored on a .ini file. The location escapes me right now. I believe it's in Documents and Settings\user\\Application Data\Enfold. | 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with | these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are | deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). | Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work | with 2.5? You mean the tarball or the desktop desktop? There's documentation about the compatibility issues on the website. | 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and | had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new | build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server | by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up | Apache. That's right. It works over plain HTTP by doing user-agent sniffing now. | 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the | Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it | is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made | me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a | variety of reasons. It's recommended yes. It *might* work if you don't do it, by luck. | 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under | the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed | pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my | institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a | year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing | is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given | to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my | project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by | my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little | clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. I will leave that for Alan to answer. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 From nd51 at leicester.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 10:50:24 2006 From: nd51 at leicester.ac.uk (Davis, N.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:50:24 +0100 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions In-Reply-To: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Message-ID: <872562B97D471D4AB39FF78E9C921F64028C6360@Saffron.cfs.le.ac.uk> > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I > under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed > pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my > institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a > year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if > licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise > it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to > acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my > options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this > item. > Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. In response to this, I'd say we're in a similar situation. While I was evaluating Enfold Desktop, the licensing changed. This changed my priorities, because its only worth for us to spend the money on Enfold Desktop when we've got enough other infrastructure in place. So I went back to getting some other stuff working that is free. For a large university, the new pricing structure means that with potentially large numbers of users it looks cost-prohibitive. So while I know Enfold need to make money, and its in the interests of everyone in the Plone Community that companies such as Enfold are thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing Enfold Desktop at all. I appreciate that this comment may seem weird, considering how many Universities throw huge ? / $ towards the likes of Microsoft and SAP, but funding regimes can get very political and unfortunately the funding sources connected to people open-minded / informed enough to use Plone, are often small numbers. Regards, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 10:56:29 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:56:29 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133082@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the > license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, > because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing > Enfold Desktop at all. All the university needs to do is contact us. We are not a "uber corporation" wanting to squeeze blood from stone. If you have special needs - contact us! We work with large organizations - all the time. I don't know of any university that has been 'put off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Cheers Alan Runyan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know of any university that has been 'put > off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Alan, Thanks for that. Didn't mean to imply at all Enfold was an "uber corporation" . ;-) Quite the opposite. I actually made this comment just to say that reading the Enfold website in the absence of other info, such an impression of too pricy could be given, which probably wasn't intended. And I wouldn't like people to be put off because well apart from the fact Enfold deserves to thrive, we all need Enfold to thrive. :-) Also its kind of embarrassing when due to the way things are funded, an organisation can spend loads of money on one thing and be really stingy in another area, and the people that the organisation is being stingy to may well feel justifiably hard-done by. Frankly I think it sucks if Microsoft and SAP can screw big $ out of the same institutions that Enfold is giving a discount to. But its not a just world........ Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at Enfold desktop again. All the best, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 11:40:42 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:40:42 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133088@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at > Enfold desktop again. When RC2 is released. Please give it a spin! That's the most straightforward way of helping in the near-term. Cheers Alan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: event.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 26152 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.enfoldsystems.com/pipermail/community-desktop/attachments/20060908/d07aa5ec/attachment-0002.obj From chrisw at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 14 15:17:56 2006 From: chrisw at enfoldsystems.com (Chris Williamson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382132C02@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Dear Enfold Desktop community: "Thank you" to all the community members who downloaded Enfold Desktop 3.0 Beta, evaluated it and gave us feedback. Our developers have incorporated many of your comments into the product to make it run even more smoothly, and now we are announcing the availability of Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate. We invite you to give it a try: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/three/ (IMPORTANT NOTE FOR DESKTOP 2.x USERS: If you need to keep using Enfold Desktop 2.x while you try Version 3.0 Release Candidate, please READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION BEFORE INSTALLING ANY COMPONENTS: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/3_0-for-2_x-users ) Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate is a major update to the Desktop 2.x series, with more than a thousand hours of testing and new features to make the drag-and-drop content management experience even easier, including: - Predefined sessions for easier content editing - Support for Unicode (international character set) file names - Ability to extend Desktop for custom needs (for example, automatic save to server from within a third-party program) via new plug-in architecture For more information, please see the main Enfold Desktop Web page: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop Thank you for using Enfold Desktop! If you have any questions, please e-mail customerservice at enfoldsystems.com or call us at (713) 942-2377. From cbc at unc.edu Thu Sep 28 14:49:01 2006 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:49:01 -0400 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions Message-ID: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which work with the new version or to delete old connections? 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work with 2.5? 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety of reasons. 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector issue on any of these items. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 17-6 Venable Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From alan at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 14:56:49 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:56:49 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of > Enfold Desktop. Great! > I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per > instructions. > > 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of > previous version connections which cannot be either used or > deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which > work with the new version or to delete old connections? Yikes! Try to delete it then try to goto 'Help' and Send error report to Enfold. This will send us your debugging log and one of our guys can look into it. I believe there is a .ini file that has all the information in there; and they could be forcibly removed with editor. > 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm > stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile > (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in > light of other third party products). > Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous > build work with 2.5? They should work. Just use the Python 2.3.x version of the server components. > 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server > and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the > product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? > I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this > correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. We no longer need the WebDAV support. You can use the normal HTTP port in Zope. > 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user > perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not > knowing, although it is not documented in the new > instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was > no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety > of reasons. Not that I know of. I believe you only need to have Management access to provide the 'install' like any other product (we arent doing anything funny) > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, > am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my > strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop > clients in the hands of my institutional content > contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of > our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is > per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it > to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key > to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd > like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to > contact me offlist about this item. Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. > Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector > issue on any of these items. The only issue I think you will need to open a collector issue on (possibly) is not being able to remove the sessions. Cheers Alan From sidnei at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 15:02:59 2006 From: sidnei at enfoldsystems.com (Sidnei da Silva) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:59 -0300 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions In-Reply-To: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> References: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20060928200259.GL4286@cotia> On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 03:49:01PM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: | I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. | | I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. | | I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. | | 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous | version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a | work around to see only connections which work with the new version or | to delete old connections? The information about connections is stored on a .ini file. The location escapes me right now. I believe it's in Documents and Settings\user\\Application Data\Enfold. | 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with | these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are | deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). | Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work | with 2.5? You mean the tarball or the desktop desktop? There's documentation about the compatibility issues on the website. | 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and | had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new | build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server | by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up | Apache. That's right. It works over plain HTTP by doing user-agent sniffing now. | 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the | Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it | is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made | me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a | variety of reasons. It's recommended yes. It *might* work if you don't do it, by luck. | 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under | the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed | pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my | institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a | year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing | is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given | to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my | project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by | my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little | clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. I will leave that for Alan to answer. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 From nd51 at leicester.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 10:50:24 2006 From: nd51 at leicester.ac.uk (Davis, N.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:50:24 +0100 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions In-Reply-To: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Message-ID: <872562B97D471D4AB39FF78E9C921F64028C6360@Saffron.cfs.le.ac.uk> > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I > under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed > pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my > institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a > year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if > licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise > it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to > acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my > options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this > item. > Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. In response to this, I'd say we're in a similar situation. While I was evaluating Enfold Desktop, the licensing changed. This changed my priorities, because its only worth for us to spend the money on Enfold Desktop when we've got enough other infrastructure in place. So I went back to getting some other stuff working that is free. For a large university, the new pricing structure means that with potentially large numbers of users it looks cost-prohibitive. So while I know Enfold need to make money, and its in the interests of everyone in the Plone Community that companies such as Enfold are thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing Enfold Desktop at all. I appreciate that this comment may seem weird, considering how many Universities throw huge ? / $ towards the likes of Microsoft and SAP, but funding regimes can get very political and unfortunately the funding sources connected to people open-minded / informed enough to use Plone, are often small numbers. Regards, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 10:56:29 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:56:29 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133082@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the > license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, > because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing > Enfold Desktop at all. All the university needs to do is contact us. We are not a "uber corporation" wanting to squeeze blood from stone. If you have special needs - contact us! We work with large organizations - all the time. I don't know of any university that has been 'put off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Cheers Alan Runyan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know of any university that has been 'put > off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Alan, Thanks for that. Didn't mean to imply at all Enfold was an "uber corporation" . ;-) Quite the opposite. I actually made this comment just to say that reading the Enfold website in the absence of other info, such an impression of too pricy could be given, which probably wasn't intended. And I wouldn't like people to be put off because well apart from the fact Enfold deserves to thrive, we all need Enfold to thrive. :-) Also its kind of embarrassing when due to the way things are funded, an organisation can spend loads of money on one thing and be really stingy in another area, and the people that the organisation is being stingy to may well feel justifiably hard-done by. Frankly I think it sucks if Microsoft and SAP can screw big $ out of the same institutions that Enfold is giving a discount to. But its not a just world........ Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at Enfold desktop again. All the best, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 11:40:42 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:40:42 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133088@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at > Enfold desktop again. When RC2 is released. Please give it a spin! That's the most straightforward way of helping in the near-term. Cheers Alan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We invite you to give it a try: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/three/ (IMPORTANT NOTE FOR DESKTOP 2.x USERS: If you need to keep using Enfold Desktop 2.x while you try Version 3.0 Release Candidate, please READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION BEFORE INSTALLING ANY COMPONENTS: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/3_0-for-2_x-users ) Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate is a major update to the Desktop 2.x series, with more than a thousand hours of testing and new features to make the drag-and-drop content management experience even easier, including: - Predefined sessions for easier content editing - Support for Unicode (international character set) file names - Ability to extend Desktop for custom needs (for example, automatic save to server from within a third-party program) via new plug-in architecture For more information, please see the main Enfold Desktop Web page: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop Thank you for using Enfold Desktop! If you have any questions, please e-mail customerservice at enfoldsystems.com or call us at (713) 942-2377. From cbc at unc.edu Thu Sep 28 14:49:01 2006 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:49:01 -0400 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions Message-ID: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which work with the new version or to delete old connections? 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work with 2.5? 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety of reasons. 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector issue on any of these items. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 17-6 Venable Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From alan at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 14:56:49 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:56:49 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of > Enfold Desktop. Great! > I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per > instructions. > > 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of > previous version connections which cannot be either used or > deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which > work with the new version or to delete old connections? Yikes! Try to delete it then try to goto 'Help' and Send error report to Enfold. This will send us your debugging log and one of our guys can look into it. I believe there is a .ini file that has all the information in there; and they could be forcibly removed with editor. > 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm > stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile > (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in > light of other third party products). > Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous > build work with 2.5? They should work. Just use the Python 2.3.x version of the server components. > 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server > and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the > product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? > I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this > correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. We no longer need the WebDAV support. You can use the normal HTTP port in Zope. > 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user > perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not > knowing, although it is not documented in the new > instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was > no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety > of reasons. Not that I know of. I believe you only need to have Management access to provide the 'install' like any other product (we arent doing anything funny) > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, > am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my > strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop > clients in the hands of my institutional content > contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of > our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is > per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it > to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key > to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd > like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to > contact me offlist about this item. Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. > Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector > issue on any of these items. The only issue I think you will need to open a collector issue on (possibly) is not being able to remove the sessions. Cheers Alan From sidnei at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 15:02:59 2006 From: sidnei at enfoldsystems.com (Sidnei da Silva) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:59 -0300 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions In-Reply-To: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> References: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20060928200259.GL4286@cotia> On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 03:49:01PM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: | I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. | | I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. | | I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. | | 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous | version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a | work around to see only connections which work with the new version or | to delete old connections? The information about connections is stored on a .ini file. The location escapes me right now. I believe it's in Documents and Settings\user\\Application Data\Enfold. | 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with | these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are | deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). | Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work | with 2.5? You mean the tarball or the desktop desktop? There's documentation about the compatibility issues on the website. | 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and | had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new | build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server | by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up | Apache. That's right. It works over plain HTTP by doing user-agent sniffing now. | 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the | Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it | is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made | me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a | variety of reasons. It's recommended yes. It *might* work if you don't do it, by luck. | 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under | the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed | pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my | institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a | year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing | is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given | to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my | project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by | my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little | clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. I will leave that for Alan to answer. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 From nd51 at leicester.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 10:50:24 2006 From: nd51 at leicester.ac.uk (Davis, N.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:50:24 +0100 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions In-Reply-To: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Message-ID: <872562B97D471D4AB39FF78E9C921F64028C6360@Saffron.cfs.le.ac.uk> > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I > under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed > pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my > institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a > year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if > licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise > it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to > acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my > options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this > item. > Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. In response to this, I'd say we're in a similar situation. While I was evaluating Enfold Desktop, the licensing changed. This changed my priorities, because its only worth for us to spend the money on Enfold Desktop when we've got enough other infrastructure in place. So I went back to getting some other stuff working that is free. For a large university, the new pricing structure means that with potentially large numbers of users it looks cost-prohibitive. So while I know Enfold need to make money, and its in the interests of everyone in the Plone Community that companies such as Enfold are thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing Enfold Desktop at all. I appreciate that this comment may seem weird, considering how many Universities throw huge ? / $ towards the likes of Microsoft and SAP, but funding regimes can get very political and unfortunately the funding sources connected to people open-minded / informed enough to use Plone, are often small numbers. Regards, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 10:56:29 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:56:29 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133082@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the > license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, > because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing > Enfold Desktop at all. All the university needs to do is contact us. We are not a "uber corporation" wanting to squeeze blood from stone. If you have special needs - contact us! We work with large organizations - all the time. I don't know of any university that has been 'put off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Cheers Alan Runyan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know of any university that has been 'put > off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Alan, Thanks for that. Didn't mean to imply at all Enfold was an "uber corporation" . ;-) Quite the opposite. I actually made this comment just to say that reading the Enfold website in the absence of other info, such an impression of too pricy could be given, which probably wasn't intended. And I wouldn't like people to be put off because well apart from the fact Enfold deserves to thrive, we all need Enfold to thrive. :-) Also its kind of embarrassing when due to the way things are funded, an organisation can spend loads of money on one thing and be really stingy in another area, and the people that the organisation is being stingy to may well feel justifiably hard-done by. Frankly I think it sucks if Microsoft and SAP can screw big $ out of the same institutions that Enfold is giving a discount to. But its not a just world........ Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at Enfold desktop again. All the best, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 11:40:42 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:40:42 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133088@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at > Enfold desktop again. When RC2 is released. Please give it a spin! That's the most straightforward way of helping in the near-term. Cheers Alan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: event.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 26152 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.enfoldsystems.com/pipermail/community-desktop/attachments/20060908/d07aa5ec/attachment-0004.obj From chrisw at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 14 15:17:56 2006 From: chrisw at enfoldsystems.com (Chris Williamson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382132C02@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Dear Enfold Desktop community: "Thank you" to all the community members who downloaded Enfold Desktop 3.0 Beta, evaluated it and gave us feedback. Our developers have incorporated many of your comments into the product to make it run even more smoothly, and now we are announcing the availability of Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate. We invite you to give it a try: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/three/ (IMPORTANT NOTE FOR DESKTOP 2.x USERS: If you need to keep using Enfold Desktop 2.x while you try Version 3.0 Release Candidate, please READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION BEFORE INSTALLING ANY COMPONENTS: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/3_0-for-2_x-users ) Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate is a major update to the Desktop 2.x series, with more than a thousand hours of testing and new features to make the drag-and-drop content management experience even easier, including: - Predefined sessions for easier content editing - Support for Unicode (international character set) file names - Ability to extend Desktop for custom needs (for example, automatic save to server from within a third-party program) via new plug-in architecture For more information, please see the main Enfold Desktop Web page: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop Thank you for using Enfold Desktop! If you have any questions, please e-mail customerservice at enfoldsystems.com or call us at (713) 942-2377. From cbc at unc.edu Thu Sep 28 14:49:01 2006 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:49:01 -0400 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions Message-ID: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which work with the new version or to delete old connections? 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work with 2.5? 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety of reasons. 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector issue on any of these items. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 17-6 Venable Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From alan at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 14:56:49 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:56:49 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of > Enfold Desktop. Great! > I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per > instructions. > > 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of > previous version connections which cannot be either used or > deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which > work with the new version or to delete old connections? Yikes! Try to delete it then try to goto 'Help' and Send error report to Enfold. This will send us your debugging log and one of our guys can look into it. I believe there is a .ini file that has all the information in there; and they could be forcibly removed with editor. > 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm > stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile > (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in > light of other third party products). > Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous > build work with 2.5? They should work. Just use the Python 2.3.x version of the server components. > 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server > and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the > product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? > I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this > correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. We no longer need the WebDAV support. You can use the normal HTTP port in Zope. > 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user > perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not > knowing, although it is not documented in the new > instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was > no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety > of reasons. Not that I know of. I believe you only need to have Management access to provide the 'install' like any other product (we arent doing anything funny) > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, > am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my > strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop > clients in the hands of my institutional content > contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of > our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is > per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it > to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key > to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd > like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to > contact me offlist about this item. Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. > Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector > issue on any of these items. The only issue I think you will need to open a collector issue on (possibly) is not being able to remove the sessions. Cheers Alan From sidnei at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 15:02:59 2006 From: sidnei at enfoldsystems.com (Sidnei da Silva) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:59 -0300 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions In-Reply-To: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> References: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20060928200259.GL4286@cotia> On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 03:49:01PM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: | I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. | | I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. | | I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. | | 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous | version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a | work around to see only connections which work with the new version or | to delete old connections? The information about connections is stored on a .ini file. The location escapes me right now. I believe it's in Documents and Settings\user\\Application Data\Enfold. | 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with | these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are | deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). | Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work | with 2.5? You mean the tarball or the desktop desktop? There's documentation about the compatibility issues on the website. | 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and | had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new | build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server | by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up | Apache. That's right. It works over plain HTTP by doing user-agent sniffing now. | 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the | Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it | is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made | me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a | variety of reasons. It's recommended yes. It *might* work if you don't do it, by luck. | 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under | the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed | pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my | institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a | year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing | is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given | to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my | project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by | my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little | clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. I will leave that for Alan to answer. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 From nd51 at leicester.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 10:50:24 2006 From: nd51 at leicester.ac.uk (Davis, N.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:50:24 +0100 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions In-Reply-To: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Message-ID: <872562B97D471D4AB39FF78E9C921F64028C6360@Saffron.cfs.le.ac.uk> > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I > under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed > pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my > institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a > year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if > licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise > it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to > acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my > options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this > item. > Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. In response to this, I'd say we're in a similar situation. While I was evaluating Enfold Desktop, the licensing changed. This changed my priorities, because its only worth for us to spend the money on Enfold Desktop when we've got enough other infrastructure in place. So I went back to getting some other stuff working that is free. For a large university, the new pricing structure means that with potentially large numbers of users it looks cost-prohibitive. So while I know Enfold need to make money, and its in the interests of everyone in the Plone Community that companies such as Enfold are thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing Enfold Desktop at all. I appreciate that this comment may seem weird, considering how many Universities throw huge ? / $ towards the likes of Microsoft and SAP, but funding regimes can get very political and unfortunately the funding sources connected to people open-minded / informed enough to use Plone, are often small numbers. Regards, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 10:56:29 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:56:29 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133082@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the > license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, > because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing > Enfold Desktop at all. All the university needs to do is contact us. We are not a "uber corporation" wanting to squeeze blood from stone. If you have special needs - contact us! We work with large organizations - all the time. I don't know of any university that has been 'put off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Cheers Alan Runyan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know of any university that has been 'put > off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Alan, Thanks for that. Didn't mean to imply at all Enfold was an "uber corporation" . ;-) Quite the opposite. I actually made this comment just to say that reading the Enfold website in the absence of other info, such an impression of too pricy could be given, which probably wasn't intended. And I wouldn't like people to be put off because well apart from the fact Enfold deserves to thrive, we all need Enfold to thrive. :-) Also its kind of embarrassing when due to the way things are funded, an organisation can spend loads of money on one thing and be really stingy in another area, and the people that the organisation is being stingy to may well feel justifiably hard-done by. Frankly I think it sucks if Microsoft and SAP can screw big $ out of the same institutions that Enfold is giving a discount to. But its not a just world........ Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at Enfold desktop again. All the best, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 11:40:42 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:40:42 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133088@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at > Enfold desktop again. When RC2 is released. Please give it a spin! That's the most straightforward way of helping in the near-term. Cheers Alan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: event.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 26152 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.enfoldsystems.com/pipermail/community-desktop/attachments/20060908/d07aa5ec/attachment-0005.obj From chrisw at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 14 15:17:56 2006 From: chrisw at enfoldsystems.com (Chris Williamson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382132C02@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Dear Enfold Desktop community: "Thank you" to all the community members who downloaded Enfold Desktop 3.0 Beta, evaluated it and gave us feedback. Our developers have incorporated many of your comments into the product to make it run even more smoothly, and now we are announcing the availability of Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate. We invite you to give it a try: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/three/ (IMPORTANT NOTE FOR DESKTOP 2.x USERS: If you need to keep using Enfold Desktop 2.x while you try Version 3.0 Release Candidate, please READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION BEFORE INSTALLING ANY COMPONENTS: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/3_0-for-2_x-users ) Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate is a major update to the Desktop 2.x series, with more than a thousand hours of testing and new features to make the drag-and-drop content management experience even easier, including: - Predefined sessions for easier content editing - Support for Unicode (international character set) file names - Ability to extend Desktop for custom needs (for example, automatic save to server from within a third-party program) via new plug-in architecture For more information, please see the main Enfold Desktop Web page: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop Thank you for using Enfold Desktop! If you have any questions, please e-mail customerservice at enfoldsystems.com or call us at (713) 942-2377. From cbc at unc.edu Thu Sep 28 14:49:01 2006 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:49:01 -0400 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions Message-ID: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which work with the new version or to delete old connections? 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work with 2.5? 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety of reasons. 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector issue on any of these items. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 17-6 Venable Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From alan at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 14:56:49 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:56:49 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of > Enfold Desktop. Great! > I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per > instructions. > > 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of > previous version connections which cannot be either used or > deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which > work with the new version or to delete old connections? Yikes! Try to delete it then try to goto 'Help' and Send error report to Enfold. This will send us your debugging log and one of our guys can look into it. I believe there is a .ini file that has all the information in there; and they could be forcibly removed with editor. > 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm > stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile > (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in > light of other third party products). > Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous > build work with 2.5? They should work. Just use the Python 2.3.x version of the server components. > 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server > and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the > product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? > I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this > correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. We no longer need the WebDAV support. You can use the normal HTTP port in Zope. > 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user > perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not > knowing, although it is not documented in the new > instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was > no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety > of reasons. Not that I know of. I believe you only need to have Management access to provide the 'install' like any other product (we arent doing anything funny) > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, > am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my > strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop > clients in the hands of my institutional content > contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of > our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is > per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it > to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key > to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd > like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to > contact me offlist about this item. Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. > Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector > issue on any of these items. The only issue I think you will need to open a collector issue on (possibly) is not being able to remove the sessions. Cheers Alan From sidnei at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 15:02:59 2006 From: sidnei at enfoldsystems.com (Sidnei da Silva) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:59 -0300 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions In-Reply-To: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> References: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20060928200259.GL4286@cotia> On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 03:49:01PM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: | I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. | | I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. | | I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. | | 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous | version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a | work around to see only connections which work with the new version or | to delete old connections? The information about connections is stored on a .ini file. The location escapes me right now. I believe it's in Documents and Settings\user\\Application Data\Enfold. | 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with | these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are | deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). | Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work | with 2.5? You mean the tarball or the desktop desktop? There's documentation about the compatibility issues on the website. | 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and | had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new | build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server | by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up | Apache. That's right. It works over plain HTTP by doing user-agent sniffing now. | 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the | Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it | is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made | me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a | variety of reasons. It's recommended yes. It *might* work if you don't do it, by luck. | 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under | the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed | pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my | institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a | year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing | is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given | to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my | project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by | my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little | clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. I will leave that for Alan to answer. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 From nd51 at leicester.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 10:50:24 2006 From: nd51 at leicester.ac.uk (Davis, N.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:50:24 +0100 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions In-Reply-To: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Message-ID: <872562B97D471D4AB39FF78E9C921F64028C6360@Saffron.cfs.le.ac.uk> > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I > under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed > pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my > institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a > year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if > licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise > it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to > acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my > options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this > item. > Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. In response to this, I'd say we're in a similar situation. While I was evaluating Enfold Desktop, the licensing changed. This changed my priorities, because its only worth for us to spend the money on Enfold Desktop when we've got enough other infrastructure in place. So I went back to getting some other stuff working that is free. For a large university, the new pricing structure means that with potentially large numbers of users it looks cost-prohibitive. So while I know Enfold need to make money, and its in the interests of everyone in the Plone Community that companies such as Enfold are thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing Enfold Desktop at all. I appreciate that this comment may seem weird, considering how many Universities throw huge ? / $ towards the likes of Microsoft and SAP, but funding regimes can get very political and unfortunately the funding sources connected to people open-minded / informed enough to use Plone, are often small numbers. Regards, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 10:56:29 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:56:29 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133082@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the > license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, > because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing > Enfold Desktop at all. All the university needs to do is contact us. We are not a "uber corporation" wanting to squeeze blood from stone. If you have special needs - contact us! We work with large organizations - all the time. I don't know of any university that has been 'put off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Cheers Alan Runyan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know of any university that has been 'put > off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Alan, Thanks for that. Didn't mean to imply at all Enfold was an "uber corporation" . ;-) Quite the opposite. I actually made this comment just to say that reading the Enfold website in the absence of other info, such an impression of too pricy could be given, which probably wasn't intended. And I wouldn't like people to be put off because well apart from the fact Enfold deserves to thrive, we all need Enfold to thrive. :-) Also its kind of embarrassing when due to the way things are funded, an organisation can spend loads of money on one thing and be really stingy in another area, and the people that the organisation is being stingy to may well feel justifiably hard-done by. Frankly I think it sucks if Microsoft and SAP can screw big $ out of the same institutions that Enfold is giving a discount to. But its not a just world........ Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at Enfold desktop again. All the best, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 11:40:42 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:40:42 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133088@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at > Enfold desktop again. When RC2 is released. Please give it a spin! That's the most straightforward way of helping in the near-term. Cheers Alan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We invite you to give it a try: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/three/ (IMPORTANT NOTE FOR DESKTOP 2.x USERS: If you need to keep using Enfold Desktop 2.x while you try Version 3.0 Release Candidate, please READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION BEFORE INSTALLING ANY COMPONENTS: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/3_0-for-2_x-users ) Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate is a major update to the Desktop 2.x series, with more than a thousand hours of testing and new features to make the drag-and-drop content management experience even easier, including: - Predefined sessions for easier content editing - Support for Unicode (international character set) file names - Ability to extend Desktop for custom needs (for example, automatic save to server from within a third-party program) via new plug-in architecture For more information, please see the main Enfold Desktop Web page: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop Thank you for using Enfold Desktop! If you have any questions, please e-mail customerservice at enfoldsystems.com or call us at (713) 942-2377. From cbc at unc.edu Thu Sep 28 14:49:01 2006 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:49:01 -0400 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions Message-ID: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which work with the new version or to delete old connections? 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work with 2.5? 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety of reasons. 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector issue on any of these items. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 17-6 Venable Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From alan at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 14:56:49 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:56:49 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of > Enfold Desktop. Great! > I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per > instructions. > > 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of > previous version connections which cannot be either used or > deleted. Is there a work around to see only connections which > work with the new version or to delete old connections? Yikes! Try to delete it then try to goto 'Help' and Send error report to Enfold. This will send us your debugging log and one of our guys can look into it. I believe there is a .ini file that has all the information in there; and they could be forcibly removed with editor. > 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm > stuck with these older versions of Plone for awhile > (resources for migration are deeply strained, especially in > light of other third party products). > Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous > build work with 2.5? They should work. Just use the Python 2.3.x version of the server components. > 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server > and port and had to configure that on the desktop in the > product install. Then new build doesn't seem to ask for that? > I assume it is using the HTTP server by default. Is this > correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up Apache. We no longer need the WebDAV support. You can use the normal HTTP port in Zope. > 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user > perform the Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not > knowing, although it is not documented in the new > instructions. Having it not documented made me suspect it was > no longer required. That would be a good thing for a variety > of reasons. Not that I know of. I believe you only need to have Management access to provide the 'install' like any other product (we arent doing anything funny) > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, > am I under the new pricing structure? A good part of my > strategy, developed pre-license change, was to put desktop > clients in the hands of my institutional content > contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a year, all) of > our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing is > per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it > to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key > to acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd > like to know my options a little clearer. Feel free to > contact me offlist about this item. Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. > Please let me know also, should I need to open a collector > issue on any of these items. The only issue I think you will need to open a collector issue on (possibly) is not being able to remove the sessions. Cheers Alan From sidnei at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 28 15:02:59 2006 From: sidnei at enfoldsystems.com (Sidnei da Silva) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:59 -0300 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24 questions In-Reply-To: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> References: <451C272D.1090807@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20060928200259.GL4286@cotia> On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 03:49:01PM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: | I have a 2.05 and a 2.13 site using the previous version of Enfold Desktop. | | I'm building a new 2.5 site and am trying out build 6075. | | I uninstalled the previous version of Enfold Desktop as per instructions. | | 1) It works fine. But my Enfold Desktop folder is now full of previous | version connections which cannot be either used or deleted. Is there a | work around to see only connections which work with the new version or | to delete old connections? The information about connections is stored on a .ini file. The location escapes me right now. I believe it's in Documents and Settings\user\\Application Data\Enfold. | 2) Is there a way to use both versions at the Desktop? I'm stuck with | these older versions of Plone for awhile (resources for migration are | deeply strained, especially in light of other third party products). | Does Build 6075 work with 2.05 or 2.13? Does the previous build work | with 2.5? You mean the tarball or the desktop desktop? There's documentation about the compatibility issues on the website. | 3) Also, in the previous version, I opened a WebDAV server and port and | had to configure that on the desktop in the product install. Then new | build doesn't seem to ask for that? I assume it is using the HTTP server | by default. Is this correct? Knowing this is important for how I set up | Apache. That's right. It works over plain HTTP by doing user-agent sniffing now. | 4) Is it still required that the Zope instance owner user perform the | Enfold Desktop Add/Remove Product? I did this not knowing, although it | is not documented in the new instructions. Having it not documented made | me suspect it was no longer required. That would be a good thing for a | variety of reasons. It's recommended yes. It *might* work if you don't do it, by luck. | 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I under | the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed | pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my | institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a | year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if licensing | is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise it to, given | to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's adoption in my | project and bulk upload through Winders is key to acceptance of Plone by | my content contributors. So I'd like to know my options a little | clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this item. I will leave that for Alan to answer. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 From nd51 at leicester.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 10:50:24 2006 From: nd51 at leicester.ac.uk (Davis, N.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:50:24 +0100 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions In-Reply-To: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133017@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Message-ID: <872562B97D471D4AB39FF78E9C921F64028C6360@Saffron.cfs.le.ac.uk> > 5) Finally, as a non-profit educational research institution, am I > under the new pricing structure? A good part of my strategy, developed > pre-license change, was to put desktop clients in the hands of my > institutional content contributors. We've lost most (well, OK, in a > year, all) of our funding, so I need to revise my strategy if > licensing is per seat at a low threshold. I don't know what to revise > it to, given to how the FOSS nature of Plone was key to Plone's > adoption in my project and bulk upload through Winders is key to > acceptance of Plone by my content contributors. So I'd like to know my > options a little clearer. Feel free to contact me offlist about this > item. > Will contact you offline. But for us to continue to support the software we had to change the licensing model. In response to this, I'd say we're in a similar situation. While I was evaluating Enfold Desktop, the licensing changed. This changed my priorities, because its only worth for us to spend the money on Enfold Desktop when we've got enough other infrastructure in place. So I went back to getting some other stuff working that is free. For a large university, the new pricing structure means that with potentially large numbers of users it looks cost-prohibitive. So while I know Enfold need to make money, and its in the interests of everyone in the Plone Community that companies such as Enfold are thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing Enfold Desktop at all. I appreciate that this comment may seem weird, considering how many Universities throw huge ? / $ towards the likes of Microsoft and SAP, but funding regimes can get very political and unfortunately the funding sources connected to people open-minded / informed enough to use Plone, are often small numbers. Regards, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 10:56:29 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:56:29 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133082@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > thriving, I think Enfold might consider putting a cap on the > license fees (i.e flat fee for > X users) for Universities, > because you guys don't want to put off Unis from purchasing > Enfold Desktop at all. All the university needs to do is contact us. We are not a "uber corporation" wanting to squeeze blood from stone. If you have special needs - contact us! We work with large organizations - all the time. I don't know of any university that has been 'put off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Cheers Alan Runyan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know of any university that has been 'put > off' by Desktop that was serious about adopting it in their organization. Alan, Thanks for that. Didn't mean to imply at all Enfold was an "uber corporation" . ;-) Quite the opposite. I actually made this comment just to say that reading the Enfold website in the absence of other info, such an impression of too pricy could be given, which probably wasn't intended. And I wouldn't like people to be put off because well apart from the fact Enfold deserves to thrive, we all need Enfold to thrive. :-) Also its kind of embarrassing when due to the way things are funded, an organisation can spend loads of money on one thing and be really stingy in another area, and the people that the organisation is being stingy to may well feel justifiably hard-done by. Frankly I think it sucks if Microsoft and SAP can screw big $ out of the same institutions that Enfold is giving a discount to. But its not a just world........ Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at Enfold desktop again. All the best, Nick From alan at enfoldsystems.com Fri Sep 29 11:40:42 2006 From: alan at enfoldsystems.com (Alan Runyan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:40:42 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] desktop-server-3.0.0-final-beta-6075-py24questions Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382133088@hal.enfoldsystems.local> > Will contact you offline when I get a chance to look at > Enfold desktop again. When RC2 is released. Please give it a spin! That's the most straightforward way of helping in the near-term. Cheers Alan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: event.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 26152 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.enfoldsystems.com/pipermail/community-desktop/attachments/20060908/d07aa5ec/attachment-0007.obj From chrisw at enfoldsystems.com Thu Sep 14 15:17:56 2006 From: chrisw at enfoldsystems.com (Chris Williamson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Community-desktop] Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate Message-ID: <8EAFFDDE9BE27F4C8B1A3022FEAA6382132C02@hal.enfoldsystems.local> Dear Enfold Desktop community: "Thank you" to all the community members who downloaded Enfold Desktop 3.0 Beta, evaluated it and gave us feedback. Our developers have incorporated many of your comments into the product to make it run even more smoothly, and now we are announcing the availability of Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate. We invite you to give it a try: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/three/ (IMPORTANT NOTE FOR DESKTOP 2.x USERS: If you need to keep using Enfold Desktop 2.x while you try Version 3.0 Release Candidate, please READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION BEFORE INSTALLING ANY COMPONENTS: http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/Desktop/3_0-for-2_x-users ) Enfold Desktop 3.0 Release Candidate is a major update to the Desktop 2.x series, with more than a thousand hours of testing and new features to make the drag-and-drop content management experience even e